republican, and it is hard to understand how our country now has infrastructure that's not as advanced as china, singapore and so many other places. those are investments that we can make now, putting jobs to work now, putting people to work now and also that will lead to long term growth. of course, we got to find out how we pay for it. >> governors, thank you both very much. i appreciate you joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks. >>> i now want to bring in a man who says president obama's plan would create jobs and cut the deficit. he's democratic congressman chris van hollen, maryland, ranking member of the house budget committee. welcome to you, sir. you said today -- >> good to be with you. >> good to be with you, too. we're in the fourth quarter as we approach the fiscal cliff. if we can deliver like rg iii delivers, we'll be doing well. the question i would ask is why the hell are we in the fourth quarter? why wasn't this done in the first quarter? >> well, piers, as you know, there were a number of efforts before the election to get this done and there were major differences betwe